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| majinpowers | Jun 5 2009, 02:23 AM Post #1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The PC-Engine was released after the NES (October 30, 1987) in Japan and then came out later in the US as the TurboGrafx 16. It was the first 16 bit system designed by Hudson Soft and NEC but NEC produced it. In Japan it was very popular beating the Famicom in sales soon after its release. In fact it was so popular in Japan that games were made for the system up until 1999! The PC-Engine was the first console to have the CD ROM add-on media available for the system. The TG-16 didn't do very well in North America mostly because of no 3rd party support. During that time Nintendo had the anti-competitive practices policy in effect and this stopped company's like Capcom, and Konami from porting there games in North America and making new ones for the system because of there licensed deal with Nintendo. Even with Nintendo's anti-competitive practices policy NEC went ahead and made the CD add-on and later the Turbo DUO (The DUO was the TG-16 and the CD add-on all in one with a Super System BIOS + extra 192k RAM built-in to the motherboard.) called the PC-Engine Duo in Japan with hopes of turning the tides in there favor but by this time it was too late. The Genesis was winning in North America and with the SNES coming out soon time wasn't on NEC's side. In Japan NEC released the Super Grafx as a last ditch effort to keep the popular system alive but by then even in Japan it couldn't compete with the popularity of the SNES. Now days the North American Turbo Duo is rather rare and can go on eBay for crazy amounts. The TG-16 isn't too expensive you can get one of them for around $60.00. Since the system was so popular in Japan you can pick up the Japanese DUO for way cheaper. (Around $250) The Japanese PC-Engine DUO / DUO-R and DUO-RX all are more or less the same thing with just a few revisions to the system. (Nothing that effects game play mostly cosmetic.) Also both versions of the DUO the North American Turbo DUO and the Japanese PC-Engine DUO (DUO-R & RX) are region free for CD games so you can play North American CD games on the Japanese system. The HuCard games (cartridges) do have region locking but its very easy to pick up a modded PC-Engine DUO off eBay or you could get a North American TG-16 and a Japanese PC-Engine DUO both for less than a North American DUO would run you and be able to play everything.
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The PC-Engine and the TurboGrafx-16 both came with 2 button controllers but the way they connected to the system were different. The TurboGrafx-16 used a larger 8 pin den while the PC-Engine used a smaller one. When the Turbo Duo launched in North America NEC used the same system design (other than small color differences) keeping the original Japanese PC-Engine smaller 8 pin den connector. This means that a North American Turbo DUO can use any controller or multitap made for the PC-Engine but unfortunately its not compatible with any of the older TurboGrafx-16 peripherals. As the years passed many different controllers came out for the console some having a 3 button setup and finally moving to a 6 button layout. Some games would not work with a 6 button controller plugged into the system so they added a mode switch to change the controller between 2 button mode and 6 button mode. Out of the 2 official 6 button controllers made the NEC Arcade Pad 6 is by far the superior choice as it offers turbo modes for all 6 buttons while the Hudson pad only has turbos for button I and II. the Hudson Avenue Pad 6 does have built in slow motion were the NEC Arcade Pad 6 does not. The Grafx family of consoles also only have one controller port built into the system and you need a PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 5 Player Multitap for co-op game play. Edited by majinpowers, Jul 27 2011, 05:42 AM.
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| majinpowers | Jul 10 2009, 02:56 AM Post #2 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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People used to ridicule the TG-16 saying it wasn't a true 16 bit system because it had a 8 bit CPU. The 16 in its name comes from the dual 16 bit GPU under the hood of the system. Say what you want about the 8 bit CPU but as they say "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
As you can see the PC-Engine was every bit as good as the Genesis and the SNES and blew the NES out of the water! If it would of had proper 3rd party support with better North American marketing just think of what some games might of been like. Imagine Final Fantasy 6 on the DUO with CD sound and cut screens! Or even better think of Chrono Trigger using all the space on a CD ROM VS a cartridge it could of had full anime endings! Edited by majinpowers, Jul 15 2011, 01:01 AM.
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| majinpowers | Jul 26 2009, 11:24 PM Post #3 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Just click on a titles name to enter YouTube and watch spida1a's review of the game or gameplay footage of the titles he hasn't reviewed yet! Bonk's Adventure - Platform - The Mascot of the TurboGrafx-16 and one of the best 16-bit platforming titles out there! If you have a TurboGrafx you must own Bonk's Adventure! Bonk's Revenge - Platform - Part 2 in the Bonk Series and even better than the first game! Bonk 3: Bonk's Big Adventure - Platform - Bonk's biggest adventure yet with 2 player mode included! Extremely rare TG-16 title so I recommend picking up the PC-Engine version if your are able to play import titles. Splatterhouse - Beat 'em up, Horror - Side Scrolling Horror beat 'em up where you have to save your girlfriend Jennifer from the splatterhouse with the aid of a magic hockey mask. New Adventure Island - Platform - Forth game in the Adventure Island Series by Hudson. Neutopia - Action / RPG - Zelda Clone where you have to retrieve eight ancient medallions in order to save Princess Aurora from Dirth the devil. Highly recommend Neutopia II - Action / RPG - Your father Jazeta the hero from the first Neutpoia is missing and its up to you to save him and once again defeat the evil Dirth. Neutopia II overall is more polished then the first one and shouldn't be missed by fans of the Zelda series. Highly recommend... One of my favorite games on the console! Bloody Wolf - Run and Gun - Choose between Snake or Eagle the best two members of the special unit Bloody Wolf to go on a top secret mission to save the president. Reminds me of a cross between Contra and Heavy Barrel. Cadash - Platform / RPG - The TG-16 port is by far the better version of the game over the Genesis port. Working Designs did the conversion and balanced the gameplay, made the game more bright and colorful and most importantly kept all 4 players. The Genesis port only has the fighter and mage class. Final Lap Twin - Racing / RPG - Overhead RPG game were you have to battle other racers to earn money to upgrade your car and gain respect to be able to race the bosses of each town and finally make it world racing championship! Alien Crush - Pinball - Alien teamed pinball game with spot on controls! Devil's Crush - Pinball - Occult themed pinaball game and part two in the Crush series. In my opinion Devil's Crush is the very best video pinball game ever made! Highly recommended! Dragons Curse - Action / RPG - Re-imagining of Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap with improved 16 bit graphics. Ninja Spirit - Platform - Side scrolling platforming adventure game were you play as a ninja trying to get revenge for your fathers death! Ninja Spirit was the very first game to ever get a perfect score for the gaming magazine EGM! The Legendary Axe - Platform - Highly praised platform game where you play as a barbarian armed with "Sting" The Legendary Axe to save your girlfriend Flare from the cult of Jagu. 1989's game of the year from EGM and VideoGames & Computer Entertainment. The Legendary Axe II - Platform - You are on a mission to reclaim the throne from your evil brother Prince Zach. Same game engine as The Legendary Axe but is not a continuation of the first games story. Dungeon Explorer - Action / RPG - A fiver player Gauntlet style game with many playable characters... Fighter, Thief, Warlock, Witch, Bishop, Elf, Bard, or Gnome there is also two unlockable classes, the Princess and Harmet!! Bomberman - Action / Multi-Player - You play as Bomberman in a maze made of blocks where the object of the game is to bomb all the enemies to advance to the next stage. You can also find power-ups hidden in the stages that will increase the power and range of your bombs. Multi-Player! Multi-Player! Multi-Player! Bomberman is one of the best Multi-Player games out there period. Military Madness - Strategy - Sci-Fi themed military strategy game that takes place on the moon 2089. Early title for the system and one of the best fourth generation (16-bit era) strategy games out there. Parasol Stars: The Story of Bubble Bobble III - Platform - Part 3 in the Bubble Bobble series and the sequel to Rainbow Islands. Released in North America by Working Designs. Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu - Action / Platform - Play as Jackie Chan through five levels with a boss battle at the end of each stage. Highly recommended! Shock Man - Action / Platform - MegaMan sytle gameplay with side-scrolling shooter stages mixed in as well. Shock Man is the second game in the Kaizou Choujin Schbibinman series but the only one to make it outside of Japan. Chew Man Fu - Puzzle / Action - Each stage has 4 different colored balls the player must move onto the correct colored square to clear the stage. There is also enemies in each stage that can be killed by kicking the balls into them. This is a very fun and addictive game for the console. China Warrior - Beat 'Em Up - Very early game for the console that has large detailed character models to show off the power of the console. PC-Engine IMPORTS Street Fighter II' CE - VS Fighting - Street Fighter port to the PC-Engine that is one of the best 16 bit ports of the game. Anyone that droughts the power of the PC-Engine / TG-16 needs to check this out! Bomberman '94 - Action / Multi-Player - Updated version of Bomberman! Released in North America and Europe as Mega Bomberman for the Sega-CD / Mega-CD. Son Son 2 - Action / Platform - Platformer based off the Chinese Journey to the West story! Highly recommended!
Ys Book 1 and 2 Ys III: Wanderers from Ys Exile Exile: Wicked Phenomenon Dungeon Explorer II Cosmic Fantasy 2 [url]Loom[/url] The Dynastic Hero Buster Bros. Monster Lair Valis II Valis III Riot Zone Vasteel Valis: The Fantasm Soldier Valis IV Ys IV Shubibinman 3 Castlevania X: Rondo of Blood Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari Gain Ground SX Beyond Shadowgate Faussete Amour
1941- Counter Attack Aero Blasters After Burner II Ai Cho Aniki Air Zonk Blazing Lazers - Gunhed Burning Angels Choaniki Coryoon: Child of Dragon Cotton: Fantastic Night Dreams Darius Plus Dead Moon Detana!! TwinBee Dragon Spirit Fantasy Zone Final Soldier Forgotten Worlds Galaga '90 God Panic Shijou Saikyou Gundan Gokuraku Chuka Taisen Gradius Gradius 2 Hellfire S Honey in the Sky Kikiaikai L.Dis Legion Hana Taka Daka (Long Nosed Goblin) Magical Chase Macross 2036 Macross: Eternal Love Song Nexzr Ordyne Override Parodius Parodius Da! Psychosis R-Type 1 R-Type 2 R-Type Complete CD Rabio Lepus Special Raiden Rayxanber 2 Rayxanber 3 Salamander Sapphire Sidearms Sidearms Special Soldier Blade Space Harrier Spriggan (Seirei Senshi Spriggan) Spriggan Mark 2 Star Parodia / Star Parodier Summer Carnival 92 Alzadick Super Air Zonk Super Darius Super Raiden Super Star Soldier Syd Mead's Terraforming Sylphia Tatsujin Ultimate Tiger Valkyrie no Densetsu W Ring - The Double Rings Winds of Thunder UNDER CONSTRUCTION MORE TO COME! Edited by majinpowers, Dec 13 2011, 01:43 AM.
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| gamester81 | Jul 27 2009, 12:42 AM Post #4 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 
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The Turbo Grafx is a very underrated system. The reason it didn't do very well outside of Japan is because of the lack of third party support. If you ever play Street Fighter II for the PC Engine, you'll see it is one of the best ports on any system back in the day. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| AlexDemoted | Jul 29 2009, 12:35 AM Post #5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I seriously do not understand these PC Engine Turbo Graphic Duo CD Express Systems. What are they? How do they work? When were they released? WHERE were they released? How rare are they? Are they worth it? Ahh. I wish someone would make a video explaining EVERYTHING cuz I'm totally ignorant of the subject. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| AlexDemoted | Jul 29 2009, 10:32 PM Post #6 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Wow! Thanks alot! All the images are blocked because I'm here at work but I'll look at em what I get home. Thanks for finding all that info and posting it for me. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| majinpowers | Jul 29 2009, 10:34 PM Post #7 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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NP man I will do what I can. I wish I had a good video camera to make a videos and join you guys on youtube, but anyways this should give you some idea of the system and maybe entice you to try out a TG-16 game if you ever get the chance. Edited by majinpowers, Jul 29 2009, 11:46 PM.
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| SplatterTrigger | Jul 30 2009, 11:32 PM Post #8 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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majinpowers you are my long lost friend.Seriously!I have quite a beefy Turbo collection myself.My CD add on just died recently and I've been trying to acquire a replacement.I lost an auction on a complete TurboDuo with original box and then I decided to bid on a complete PC Engine Duo.It came complete with box and a copy of Castlevania.I bidded $600 and was outbid within the hour!So I think I'll hold off for a while b4 I replace my Turbo CD!Awesome info btw!I was also one of the few kids back in the day who had the system.In fact my younger brother still has my original TG-16. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| majinpowers | Jul 31 2009, 12:49 AM Post #9 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I hate to hear that your CD unit died. The North American TurboDuo goes for crazy amounts on eBay nowadays. I cant beleave you didnt win the PC-Engine for $600, they must be going up in price as well. There is a guy on eBay called gamedoctorhk that sales PC-Engine stuff of all kinds and has many modded systems. He don't have large amounts of them so sometimes there is nothing listed on eBay but whenever he gets a new system he cleans them up and mods them to be able to play North American HuCards and then sells them on eBay. Its where I found my unit and I have had it for over a year now with no problems. Plus his prices are not bad at all for buy it now modded PC-Engine DUO's. Right now I am trying to find a good deal on a SuperGrafx unit complete with the Super CD-ROM² add-on. Edited by majinpowers, Jul 12 2011, 03:11 PM.
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| SplatterTrigger | Jul 31 2009, 12:56 AM Post #10 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I saw a supergrafx complete with box from an american seller for $700 just last week |
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| SplatterTrigger | Jul 31 2009, 12:58 AM Post #11 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Also I was going that route with the TG16 and then the PC Engine Duo.I don't know if your on YT at all but I've got some recent vids put up on NEC purchases.My channel's name is the same as my member name here. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| majinpowers | Jul 31 2009, 01:01 AM Post #12 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I would so love to have that thing but its hard to fork out $700 for a system to play like 5 games or so that were exclusive for it. I know it will play all the other titles too but still the prices on these units are insane. But you have to admit they are one of the sweetest looking systems ever made. I have always wanted to play the Super Grafx version of Ghouls 'n Ghosts. |
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| majinpowers | Jul 31 2009, 01:09 AM Post #13 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I just subscribed to your channel and I am watching your videos right now! You like Working Designs and TurboDuo, I think you are a long lost friend! Edited by majinpowers, Jul 31 2009, 01:12 AM.
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| majinpowers | Jul 31 2009, 05:55 AM Post #14 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Great Deal This is one sweet looking unit for the price. it is even boxed and the box looks great! |
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| Brahman | Jul 31 2009, 01:56 PM Post #15 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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It seems we have similar taste in TG-16/CD games. I've got pretty much the games you've mentioned here, and also enjoy the TG-16/CD version of "Dragon's Curse" (Wonderboy III) and "Dynastic Hero" (Wonderboy in Monster World). Also, recently I managed to get an English-language sample copy of Ys IV, and am quite sad they never finished the game in English. 
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| majinpowers | Aug 1 2009, 10:38 AM Post #16 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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There is a fan translation of Y's 4 you can get and patch to the real game. I know its not as good as having the game ported to North America but at least someone took the time to translate it. |
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| SplatterTrigger | Aug 1 2009, 11:00 PM Post #17 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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LOL!I'm actually 2 titles away from having a complete WD collection!And yes it cost a lot to get here!!!!Also on the supergrafx the seller had 2 games with the system but I recall only 1 being a supergrafx title.It would be an awesome piece to a collection but highly pricey!Not to mention that would lead down the road to Darius (Gaiden?) and that would cost you an arm and a leg! [url=<script src="http://www.gmodules.com/ig/ifr?url=http://www.google.com/ig/modules/youtube.xml&up_channel=SplatterTrigger&container=youtube&w=320&h=390&title=&border=%23ffffff%7C3px%2C1px+solid+%23999999&output=js"></script>]SplatterTrigger's YouTube Channel[/URL] Edited by SplatterTrigger, Aug 1 2009, 11:02 PM.
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My god! You guys are talking about spending 600 and 700 dollars for these systems and I'm bummed cuz I just had to dish out 400 bucks for an Atari Jaguar with the CD attachment! You guys are crazy! Haha. I definitely wanna check em out and see how they work. You should put up a vid or something SplatterTrigger | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| majinpowers | Aug 5 2009, 10:40 PM Post #19 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You could totally get a PC-Engine DUO for under $400 if you shop around. But if you wanted a Super Grafx with a Super CD-ROM ROM (Super CD-ROM²) and a Arcade card your looking at $700 - $1000, but this would be like the holy grail of all DUO systems. On the plus side most of the games are cheap but like all other retro systems the SHMUPS and North American RPG's are over priced. If your into retro gaming then the price of a DUO system is totally worth it and once you have played a NEC console you will see why the people that own one are some of the most hardcore fans in the industry! In my opinion there has never been another video gaming console even close to the caliber of the NEC consoles and I still wish so badly that NEC would make a new system with the help of Hudson Soft! Edited by majinpowers, Aug 5 2009, 10:43 PM.
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Funny thing is I've seen the Super System 3 card selling on ebay(and sold) for over $200!I've actually read somewhere that NEC helped Sega design the Dreamcast after their Grafx systems went under in Japan. Games like Exile WP and Vasteel are worth a ton for NA releases.I believe the rarest game though is Darius Gaiden for the SuperGrafx.I think there are only under 800 in existence and it was never in stores.If I remember correctly it was giveaway in some contest.That game alone will fetch over $1000.00 no bull! |
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| Brahman | Aug 6 2009, 12:56 AM Post #21 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You are completely right - the TG16/CD was one of the best systems around, and we could probably go one listing its wonderful games. The thing is, too, that it was a bit ahead of its time in the industry with the CD-attachment, which kind of priced people away from it, but the level of games that were produced for it were simply amazing. It's funny that you've mentioned Hudson Soft here, though. Hudson ported over some great games from systems like the Sega Master System and the Genesis onto the TG-CD, particularly the "Wonder Boy" games. The sound-tracks for the CD versions of these games were great (particularly the Japanese versions), and some of the added cutscenes and upgraded graphics were nice too. But, the one thing that Hudson did that kind of pissed me off a bit (but I'll forgive them because they did such a great job with everything else) is to butcher the stories, particularly with "Wonder Boy in Monster World," which became "Dynastic Hero" (they changed the story into some trash about insects and the "evil Drillkor Empire?"). Even though it certainly isn't the same, if you don't have the money right now, some of the good games for the TG and TG-CD are on the Wii's Virtual Console, so you might want to give them a download. Still, I wouldn't consider this a permanent solution to owning the real-deal one day. And regarding Ys IV: The fact that an English-language sample exists bothers me in a way, even though the translation isn't complete by any means. It just shows that at one point they were considering bringing the game outside of Japan, and then got lazy. Darn you, Falcom! 
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| majinpowers | Aug 6 2009, 01:27 AM Post #22 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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YA I mean they ported Y's books I, II and III to north America but then they left us hanging with Book 4. Why would they do this to us!!!! I could rant all day on Stuff not getting ported to North America such as Policenauts, Dragon Force II, and even recently Fatal Frame IV: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse! Why some games that people know would sale don't make it over here has always baffled me. I know for a fact that if Policenauts was released it would have to sale like crazy! On a side note we are finally getting a Sakura Wars game by the end of the year. Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love (Sakura Wars V) is coming for PS2 and Wii. I really hope this does well so maybe they will port the others over as well. |
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| majinpowers | Aug 6 2009, 01:44 AM Post #23 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Yes the North American Super System 3 card is rare and I have never saw it go for less than $200.00 on ebay. That is another good thing about getting a PC-Engine over a north American DUO. On the PC-Engine you can get the Arcade DUO card for way cheap I see them on eBay for like $10.00 sometimes and this card lets you play everything. I don't think you can play Arcade games like Strider on the North American DUO unless you have it modded to be able to use the arcade card or have the rare converter. I have been looking for Exile WP for a bit now and never can find a good deal on it. I loved the first Exile game and I still have it but have never played part II. How would you compare Vasteel to Military Madness? I saw it on eBay just now for a decent price and impulse got it. Working Designs ported it so I was thinking I couldn't go wrong. Plus I love Military Madness. Edited by majinpowers, Aug 6 2009, 04:55 AM.
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| SplatterTrigger | Aug 6 2009, 06:03 PM Post #24 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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What did you pay for Vasteel if you don't mind my asking?It's extremely rare.I've actually never played it.I've only seen 1 complete copy of that on ebay in at least 6 months now. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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It's always great to see some fans of the TG-16 (one of my favorite systems). I bought my SuperGrafx for $200 with Ghouls and Ghost (best port ever!), and I own a US TurboDuo complete in box. I just recently picked up Madden for the Duo and let me tell you it's an awesome game! |
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